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The Shocking Truth about Tasers24 Feb 2005 03:23 GMT
According to a report by Amnesty International, tasers are hand-held electronic stun guns that fire two barbed darts up to a distance of 21 feet, which remain attached to the gun by wires. The fish-hook-like darts are designed to penetrate up to two inches of the target’s clothing or skin and deliver a 50,000-volt shock to the target. The report asserts that Taser guns are "inherently open to abuse." While police departments across the U.S. continue to insist that tasers are only used as an alternative to lethal force, their use as a tool of repression at demonstrations has become increasingly common. On January 20 (Inauguration Day) tasers were used against demonstrators in Austin, TX. This sparked a campaign called by Austin Spokescouncil against taser use by the Austin Police Department. In response, the Austin City Council tabled a proposal to purchase 90 new tasers for its officers, which would have cost taxpayers $75,000. In addition to protesters, Tasers have been used to subdue a 6 year-old boy, a man in a wheelchair and most often, people of color. |
IS RASTA TRUE
IRRELEVANT 24.Feb.2005 03:51
BLACK PANTHERS HAD THE BALLS TO DEFEND THEIR PEOPLE AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY.RASTAFARIANS SEEM TO BE PREOCCUPIED PREDATORIZING WHITE GIRL WANTING A SEXPLOITATION TWIRL.OUR COMMUNITIES ARE UNDER ATTACK BY THE DISTRIBUTERS OF ALCOHOL THAT STALL PROGRESS. LIQUOR STORE WHORE AND OWNER ABUSE WHILE POLICE ARE HITTING US WITH LIGHTS THAT HURT AND SOUNDS THAT PIERCE THE EARS. HOMELESS KNOW ABOUT IT. WHY DO YOU THINK THEY DRINK SO MUCH. FUCKING ADDICTIVE BEER IS LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WATER. THOSE WHO DIDNT KNOW GO TO HELL.SHUT DOWN THE LIQUOR STORE AND SEND WOMEN SWIMMIN WITH THE SHARKS TO SURROUND POLICE STATIONS THROUGHOUT. BLESSED BE OUR ACTIONS. FREE MAMA EARTH.
Don't forget..
Collin Baber 24.Feb.2005 04:10
Electroshock devices like that are also used as torture devices...
FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!
from: Santa Cruz Indymedia 24.Feb.2005 12:55
Bad Cop, No Donut!
Skidmark Bob interviews Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut! before a media attack. Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino says Bad Cop, No Donut! promotes hatred of the police [see: Get 'hate mongering' off air: Fantino]. Ron talks about the show and support from CKLN. It will be intresting to see how this develops.
A commenter writes: Another critic who needs our support and solidarity! Put him on the list with Ward Churchill and Lynne Stewart, with Free Radio and WAMM. Seems like critics are getting silenced quick and fast in the third Bush administration.
Bad Cop No Donut, for those who aren't aware, is an excellent weekly digest of nationwide accounts of Police Brutality, from lawsuit settlements and legal decisions, to off duty officer conduct and corruption, to taser use, deadly force, and stories yet to be told.
Anicich gathers all the PIC [Prison Industrial Complex] news he can find and puts together a weekly compilation.
Audio: Listen to the Stream or Download the mp3 (18.4 MB)
Free Radio Santa Cruz airs Bad Cop, No Donut! every Thursday at 1:00pm PST
101.1fm in Santa Cruz, California
See also: [ Salinas man dies after getting hit by taser stun gun ]
Links to the FRSC Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut!
from: Santa Cruz Indymedia 24.Feb.2005 13:22
FRSC: Interview with Ron Anicich of Bad Cop, No Donut! http://santacruz.indymedia.org/feature/display/16211/index.php Audio: Listen to the Stream http://radio.indymedia.org/metagen.php?url=http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/pdr_bcnd022205.mp3 or Download the mp3 (18.4 MB) http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/pdr_bcnd022205.mp3
nonsense
montecristo 24.Feb.2005 18:54
I accept that a small pinch of sensationalism is a useful and fair tactic, but this Tazer flap takes things a bit too far. Replace "Tazer" with "stick" or any other item for that matter, and the text will make just as much sense! A hundred deaths after deployment day in and day out by thousands of agencies for quite a few years by now? Did the author of the article consider how many deaths would have been happened if the cops had to choose between 1) a fist and 2) a firearm?
Note that if one starts with the premise that the police are out to repress and torture (as many readers here seem to do), then the presence or absence of Tazers in cops' holsters will not make the slightest bit of difference to the final result. There were claims of torture before these devices; conversely, banning them will not change a thing. They'll beat the champions of the proletariate senseless with a ruber hose or something. On the other hand, if one accepts that the majority of police are more or less involved in keeping public order, then there are perfectly good reasons for them to have Tazers. As I pointed out above, it's in the interests of the person being arrest to have the officer have an intermediate option between hand-to-hand combat and a 9mm between the eyes.
Lead
Tom 24.Feb.2005 23:36
I actually agree with you guys, a taser shock can hurt for a little bit. If we use good ole lead properly, there is no pain at all...ever again. I think the cops are crazy to use tasers under many circumstances. If I am threatended or if someone breaks into my house, I will use lead, not electricity.
Give us a little guidance. For example, if you are being attacked by a person with a knife, what do you want the police to do? You hate guns and tasers, so what are they supposed to do? Let's make it more interesting, a big guy high on angel dust is attacking you. What sort of help do you cop-haters want?
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sw 25.Feb.2005 00:10
so, montecristo, are you saying that the potential for abuse by police isn't an issue? Are you saying that the vast majority of cops wouldn't use these against peaceful protesters...as they already have?
I'd advise you to get your head out of the sand, or as the old annoying expression goes: "wake up and smell the coffee". But first you have to take off the noseplugs.
what I was saying ...
montecristo 25.Feb.2005 03:45
sw> so, montecristo, are you saying that the potential for abuse
sw> by police isn't an issue? Are you saying that the vast
sw> majority of cops wouldn't use these against peaceful protesters...
sw> as they already have?
If I may be so bold, the surest way to see what I am saying is to actually read the post, sw! But I don't mind repeating my point. There is nothing *specific* to the Taser (and other "non-lethal weapons," as they are called) that leads to police abuse. You've got the causality reversed. It's not that police get Tasers and then all of a sudden proceed to abuse! The police want to abuse people, and therefore they do so - with a Taser, a stick, a fist, pepper spray, whatever. Therefore, removing the Taser *does not yield the benefit* we all hope for, id est less police abuse!
On the other hand, as Tom (unfortunately a bit coarsely) pointed out, removing the Taser *does have a cost* when it comes to 95% of what policemen do, which is day-to-day law enforcement. And you should see this *especially* if you hold them in low esteem! The guys who riddled Dialo with bullets could claim legitimate use of force, because their arsenal had nothing between fists and guns, and clearly fists were not appropriate. They would have had a much weaker case if they could have chosen to use a Taser, but instead went ahead and pumped 40 shots into a man who stood no more than 10 feet away (well within Taser range).
Finally, a plea. Let's stay on the subject, sw. Telling me to "smell the coffee" demonstrates nothing besides a lamentable lack of imagination when choosing your words.
Chicago Shocks
Bubbling 25.Feb.2005 17:55
In Chicago there were two incedences less than a week apart that involved these devices, the first was used on a large teenager and the second was used on a man and both ended up in the hospital and in the suburbs there was even an instance where a pregnant woman had been shocked, the police say they are non lethal but when they employ the use of a tazer instead of a firearm it proves that in their judgement that the suspect needed only to be restrained not killed. If tazer was not so closely allied with the current administration I doubt that it would be allowed to than further market to the general public a product that has shown that in some instances it can be a fatal tool which could be used by offenders. Why is it that the industry is always in a hurry to level the playing field between cops and robbers? Financial incentive perhapse
tazer the pigs!
the crusty pirate of punkdom 26.Feb.2005 01:46
i'm still chilled to the bone after watching footage of an anarchist warrior being shocked by a tazer during the miami protests. what sickness such a device is used on people yet alone kids. solid proof of the level of violence the state is willing to employ.
Stun Gun == Cattle Prod
Shocked, and Awed. 26.Feb.2005 22:01
Correct me if I'm wrong, but at one time didn't our great democracy ban the use of cattle prods on prisoners and suspects as cruel and unusual punishment?
The only differences I can make out between a cattle prod and a stun gun is the trademark name and the fact that it is a hand held "gun" instead of a long stick.
I guess the mainstreamers couldn't stomach the idea of a device intended for use on cattle being used on humans. So I guess changing the name made it more acceptable?
A Novel Thought
wingnut 28.Feb.2005 04:33
Here's a novel idea. When the police tell you to do something, ......comply. I know that's difficult for so many to grasp. It makes for a better court case later (and a bigger chance of winning the legal system lottery)if there's violence involved. So many writers in here make it sound like people are chosen at random at McDonalds, Sears, Texaco and tased by the evil police. That's obviously not the case but you would rather focus on the actions of the police than on the actions of those who make the police response necessary in the first place. Why not focus your effort on getting people to abide by the laws and then never have to risk being tased. This would however mean giving up the concept of 'everybody is a victim' and instead require people to be responsible for their own actions.
idea
anonymous 28.Feb.2005 06:10
I really think the usage of tasers needs to be limited. I think that its ok to use a taser if a criminal is clearly threatening a life (i.e. they are holding someone at knife or gunpoint) and there is no other way to end the situation.
I have talked to a fair number of police officers. Ask any cop who worked narcotics about what a person is like on PCP. They will tell you about how pepper spray won't work on them. They will tell you that a person on PCP will go bezerk and ignore physical pain as they try to kill you. A tazer (only used under very carefull and intensive training) would be able to disable the perpetrator in this case.
Does this mean that Joe Drunk is a good target for the taser? No. Other means can be used which are much safer and just as effective. Does this mean that Jane Whackjob who isn't in control of herself is a target for the taser? Definately not. Once again, there are better methods which could be used.
Tasers are better
Bob 28.Feb.2005 16:37
You don't offer any alternatives to tasers. You say that Joe Drunk should not be tased, but what else should the officer do? Should the officer have to get in close with Joe in order to subdue him? What if Joe pulls a knife? Why should the officer risk injury to himself because Joe won't do as he is told? Without tasers, the officer can use a billy club, fists, or a gun, which do you prefer? What would you do if Joe Drunk came after you?
TASER does not = CATTLE PROD
bb 28.Feb.2005 22:32
the main difference between a taser and a cattle prod is the amount of voltage. while tasers deliver 50,000 volts to the body, completely immobilizing the person, a cattle prod usually delivers only abouy 9,000--shocking the victim only at the point of contact. in other words, a cattle prod hurts much less, and does less damage.
no marks
john 28.Feb.2005 22:53
tasers don't leave a mark. this enables police to literally torture "joe drunk" without any evidence of it ever happening. Maybe they should just leave joe drunk alone with his his bottle instead of beating him up.
for the guy who said to just comply, you've obviously never been to a protest before, or you would know that complying is a how the protest gets beat. whats the point of having one if you're going to listen to the plice who tell you to disperse 5 minutes into the event? i suppose you could respond with "well don't get involved in these sort of contentious issues then", but then you wouldn't really have much use for a website like this.
taser info
c 01.Mar.2005 22:31
supposidly - though i've never been tased, they shoot out little pieces of paper as well that carry a number which if brought to the station could identify which officer fired the gun. if true id be a good thing to look out for.
taser myths
protagon 02.Mar.2005 16:59
tasers are not supposed to be used as alternatives to guns. does anybody really believe that a trigger-happy cop is going to expeditiously pull out his taser instead of a gun if he thinks his life is threatened? are you hoping that random deaths at the hands of cops will stop now that they have tasers? you can take my words to the bank. they will not.
and what does this attitude tell you? apparently that cop violence is a foregone conclusion? are we now taking requests on styles of cop violence? (by the way, it's a lot easier to kill someone with a taser than it is to beat them to death with your fists. one method involves strenuous physical effort and the other involves pulling a trigger.) i refuse to wax philosophical about my preferred method of abuse at the hands of the authorities.
when you consider the hefty salaries that we pay our police force it's not out of line to ask them to do their job, to actually deal with people instead of just tasering them anytime they don't like what the person is saying. 23% of all REPORTED tasering incidents happen as a result of nonverbal compliance, which means that you can be tasered simply for saying no to a cop.
Just a thought
Anonymous 17.Nov.2006 05:33
The typical static electric shock you get when you touch a doorknob is between 50,000 and 200,000 volts.
The fact that tasers kill people shouldn't be the argument: would you rather shoot someone with a beanbag gun or hit 'em with a billy club? I think the chances of death there are greater. The fact is that people who aren't cooperating are going to be made to cooperate by some means. You don't want to die from taser shock? Don't piss off a cop.