Oz indymedia run by autocrats and "pseudo activists"
unsurprised
31 Jul 2006 15:49 GMT
The ugly harassment and bullying of darwin indymedia - has included hate/race campaigns on NZ and sydney indymedias.
"Violations of basic ethics against darwin imc" - by Oz indymedia
by striker Monday July 31, 2006 at 07:30 AM
darwin
"I still see no reason why Darwin imc should be deprived of its domain. We have seen threats published from other imc groups and individuals in the area to "block" Darwin's domain from being returned. I consider those threats to be unethical, irrelevant to imc procedures and process, and out of turn. It will come to a fight - a much deeper fight than any of them suspect - if they try to block Darwin any longer."
"Darwin case has revealed that a number of imc groups "down under" are in violation of the POU and Ed Pol"
"Petros Evdokas" (new-imc)
To:
imc-darwin@lists.indymedia.org
Subject: Re: [imc-darwin] to imc-aotearoa-ed: please hide abusive personal attacks
CC:
imc-aotearoa-ed@lists.indymedia.org
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boud wrote: > hi imc-aotearoa-ed, > >
There are 41 articles/comments found in this search on your website, > of which most seem to be personal attacks against mick of the > new-Darwin-IMC-getting-reorganised - many of them are from mid-April 2006: > >
http://indymedia.org.nz/mod/search/dosearch/index.php?dosearch=1&searchtext=lambe > > i seem to remember that you hid some similar personal attacks earlier, > though i don't remember when that was. > >
i suggest that you hide these. > > solidarity >
boud
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Hello Boud,
I wanted to thank you for this letter. It is actually connected to the root causes of the problem: there is a carefully orchestrated disinformation campaign aimed at character assasination of Mick Lambe (easy to do, given Mick's style), and aimed at maintaining a political climate which keeps "justifying" the injustices of global and regional indymedia against Darwin imc. The more I research this issue, seeing past the passions, and also the way the passions are being generated, manipulated, channelled, directed, the more I become convinced of what I wrote in the paragraph above.
It is a conscious and malicious project. It's not possible anymore to sort out the issue by looking at the "tit for tat" publications of nastiness, or by trying to assign equal blame as some might try to do. I have seen that there are some constant parts of this conflict, which I take to be a more basic ground of its reality. A good indication of this reality is the remark by Nigel, who wrote "if you can find *one* example of Mick "attacking" any other activist on any IMC before the DIM debacle was imposed on them, I'd appreciate it.":
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2006-June/0614-n8.html
Also, I have statements from Justin and from Mick which I trust, both indicating the the publication of personal or nasty items by Mick and others in darwin-imc were consciously chosen as a tactic after all other democratic procedures failed, the tactic was suspended when their domain was temporarily returned, and resumed again when the domain was taken away from the group (in violation of indymedia procedures, and still with no cause, and with no due process for the group). They say that the publication of disturbing items will stop when the domain is returned.
I believe that this is their intention and that it is honest. The public record proves them correct. Also, I have come to see that certain other individuals and groups who are involved in the Darwin conflict, who have been maligning Mick and other Darwin-imc members publically so far have been dishonest, unreliable, impossible to negotiate with or to reach through logic. I don't even know why we tolerate them in indymedia.
In fact, the Darwin case has revealed that a number of imc groups "down under" are in violation of the Principles of Unity and of IndyMedia's Editorial Policy, and if there were opportunities to audit these imc groups, they would lose - *should* lose - their imc domains in a minute. So far, while I see so many violations of basic ethics (both in the sense of the activist community's ethics and in the sense of journalist ethics), such as these publications:
http://indymedia.org.nz/mod/search/dosearch/index.php?dosearch=1&searchtext=lambe
I still see no reason why Darwin imc should be deprived of its domain. We have seen threats published from other imc groups and individuals in the area to "block" Darwin's domain from being returned. I consider those threats to be unethical, irrelevant to imc procedures and process, and out of turn. It will come to a fight - a much deeper fight than any of them suspect - if they try to block Darwin any longer.
And so far, if I had to choose sides (I'd prefer not to) I'd choose to dissafiliate *them* and to support Darwin-imc which is still fully affiliated and not in violation of anything. I hope it will not come to a fight and that these pseudo-editors, pseudo activist journalist posers will come to their senses before it's too long.
I still see no reason for Darwin imc to be penalized for having committed no crime, and to be denied due process.
Thanks again, Petros
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The "powers-that-be" running Oz imc
Cam (sydney imc) to DIMC "You have to co-operate with the indymedia powers-that-be if
you want to be part of it.
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/resolve/2006-March/0310-cl.html
That is the way things are.
That is all I am saying. THAT IS THE WAY THINGS ARE.
It may not be right, it may not be just."
Mick DIMC - "We do not recognise any "powers-that-be" - that is heirarchical and not what indymedia is about. If that is the reality and innocent people must suffer it - there needs to be some change."
Cam quoting Mick - We do not recognise any "powers-that-be"
Cam - Ok, it seems they don't recognise you either.
Consider that an opportunity Mick. Stacy can be won over.
It may not be the way you like doing things, but if you really
really really want the domain back, maybe you would consider this
option.
There are many others that would block a new-imc application if you are
involved.
One of the most vocal, as you are aware, is and_ from
melbourne IMC. From my conversations with him, he will be allot harder to win over than Stacy is.
I would recommend you approach and_ and tell
him you want to put things in the past and start again. Be nice about it, be humble."
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homepage:: http://dimc.axxs.org
About time darwin's domain was returned
dimcer 06.Oct.2006 03:41
mick treated as pariah - by White Australian imcs
Objections to the latest proposal by new-imc that attempts to dissaffilate darwin by stealth
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2006-September/0904-w3.html
http://onemiledam.tripod.com
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/843757.shtml
http://pariahnt.org
A site to publicise sydney and NZ imc's race/hate campaigns and the years of hate posts (melbourne especially) that preempted this attempt to destroy the darwin imc is being created.
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Hi people
Thanks paris imc for seeing through this attempt to disaffilliate us by new-imc - after a recent proposal to disaffilliate darwin by melbourne imc failed.
there has been no disaffilliation process - so why would we put on the same 'level' as a collective 'arafura' created by sydney imc (hosters of an ugly race/hate campaign that ran for months) to destroy and discredit the DIMC in our region?
Please note that only Fiona - expelled for lying - has any claim to be readmitted to the DIMC (viki z bowed out) - an individual who has done no work in 2 and a half years. Fiona had refused to associate with the previously expelled pair for 6 months - until the DIMC refused to associate with her.
Inder-Smith and Meyerhoff (first expelled pair) should never have been included in any process or 'collective'.
Please note antwerp imc's previous objections to our treatment by perth and sydney imcs.
The new-imc proposal is just another attempt to disaffilliate the darwin collective by stealth.
The previous (and recent) proposal which failed - attempted to disaffilliate us in the ugliest and most personal way
"Any collective wishing to call itself Darwin Indymedia would therefore require, as part of it's constitution, to exclude this individual (mick lambe) and would automatically forfeit it's place as an IMC if he were ever to become a member." [1]
Obviously darwin is affilliated
believe it or not - we are banned/censored from commenting at all on the new-imc list and every OZ imc but adelaide.
The hate campaign against Australia's only collective to include Aboriginal people - darwin - has gone on for years and has utilised images of dead and battered Aboriginal people we care about on NZ and Sydney imcs to attack and distress our people.
This disgusting practice has provoked us immensely.
thanks - paris - antwerp - adelaide (exceptionally supportive) - this whole affair is totally opposed to indymedia's Ed Pol - POU - autonomy (we have seven credible activist members who ratified the expulsions) - and basic ethics of human decency.
"I still see no reason why Darwin imc should be deprived of its domain. We have seen threats published from other imc groups and individuals in the area to "block" Darwin's domain from being returned. I consider those threats to be unethical, irrelevant to imc procedures and process, and out of turn. It will come to a fight - a much deeper fight than any of them suspect - if they try to block Darwin any longer." - petros new-imc
Perhaps you can tell us who the "indymedia powers-that-be" that demand my "humility" are? (link above) as new-imc refuse to answer this question.
Our domain should be returned immediately - as no process to remove it (by perth imc) has been cited - despite repeated requests.
Nor has the obvious misuse of indymedia to destroy and discredit our people by hostile collectives been factored into any discussion - our claims of bias are simply ignored.
We will not allow White Australian collectives who treated our Aboriginal members as though they did not exist and ran race/hate campaigns against our people to dictate to us.
Ever
mick - DIMC
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