Greece: The country is on fire
Greece is on fire: Statists, capitalists, murderers!
26 Aug 2007 22:20 GMT
Only a few days after the most recent wave of fires, remaining forests fell prey to yet more of them, once again set by arsonists. The country is heading to a snap election and the government's proclamations of de-commissioning forest areas (thus allowing for building construction to take place) gave a golden opportunity to private capital and its arsonists to burn whole areas down to the last leaf.
This frenzy of burned forests has already left 62 dead, tens injured, missing, homeless; hundreds of thousands of burnt acres of land in the Peloponnese, Western Greece alone. The prefectures of Ilia, Arkadia and Messinia are still being destroyed by the fire. Up to this moment there are many still raging fires in the prefectures of Korinthia, Lakonia and Evoia.
The already extremely limited and hence priceless patches of green of Attica did not escape these "accidental" fires (including the neighborhoods of Cholargos, Papagou and Galatsi). Satellite image by NASA.
For more information, see Athens IMC in English
The whole state apparatus has long abandoned whatever pre-emptive forest protection there ever was. In March, PM Karamanlis falsely claimed that his government was prepared to deal with forests during the summer. With their consciously extremely few resources they limit themselves to the role of a spectator - simply documenting the disaster.
In between debris, citizens burned alive, people abandoned and trapped between fire fronts, the PM has one meeting after the other looking to cover up the crime by making outrageous scenarios linking the country's anti-authoritarian scene (!) to the disaster.
Yet nothing surprises us any longer: It is, after all, this very same state apparatus that has been long specialised in methods of control, surveillance and repression. The chance of finding some political integrity within it sounds very much like a science fiction scenario...
[ Athens IMC archive on environmental destruction ]
You Greek leftists are hilarious
BetaProspekt 29.Aug.2007 05:56
Seriously, to turn the Greek forest fires as platform for your leftist ideas is hysterical and histrionic. Do you honestly think that if Greece was a Socialist "people's republic" that arsonsists wouldn't have started those fires? Guess what. People start fires. They start them because they are bored or mentally disturbed. What the fuck does Capitalism have to do with anything?
building boom?
fnl 29.Aug.2007 18:41
Apart from not wanting to comment on your choice of wording, I'd like to give you an explanation for this phenomena: it's not linked to right or left wing politics although, it only has one link: money. You obviously are not living in Southern Europe, otherwise you would not be asking these questions. Here the building boom is simply the economic rocket making many constructions companies (and the politicians they bribe - both, left and right) extremely rich. They are building everywhere they can, legal or illegal. The dilemma is the following: if it is stopped, the economies of the Southern European countries will most likely collapse, if it isn't stopped, they'll collapse from corruption... What we need is a smooth transition "back to normal". Additionally, I do not think that these are any freaks "in love with fire" - this is far to large scale to be true.
Is there any evidence?
endlessfields 29.Aug.2007 23:54
Is there any solid evidence that there is some sort of political motivation for starting these fires? Even though it might seem in the interests of the ruling regimes that these forests be gone, just because some politicians want the land cleared and additional factors might make it seem "obvious" that there's some sort of connection it doesn't count as actual evidence. It's purely speculation. There's plenty of idiots and crazy people in the world and the laws of probability suggest that it's likely some kid's stupid prank. (the huge fires in British Columbia a few years ago were started by a firefighter tossing a cigarette butt out onto the side of the road!) If anyone has any solid information (or if I've missed a bunch of information) linking these devastating fires to political motives please post it here. The people of Greece and the world need to be aware of the kind of games our leaders are playing. Our planet cannot afford to lose more tracts of forest, or have so much pollution released into the atmosphere in such a short time. Not to mention all the loss and suffering of the people affected by these fires.
info
reader 01.Sep.2007 03:25
you have similar "urbanization" processes going on in Southern Spain. Although
in more "diplomatic" ways.
Glabal warming
warmer 02.Sep.2007 07:58
...armagedeon (in nasal Carl Sagan like tomes) is happening :~
Goanna be a lot more of this sort of thing I guess.
so sad
greek "leftist" 05.Sep.2007 14:22
you sad little man BetaProspekt, maybe you wake up some day, in the pause of your work-home-money-money environment to realize there are other things.. sorry to say but the reason the situation is shit is in parts because of people like you..
Theories abound
Thomas Simmons, Kapiti Coast 06.Sep.2007 01:33
Te list of theories grows. Some are phrased as the final and obvious answer but let's just admit we can not prove them at this time.
A1. Politics--it is the fault of the Capitalists. This is basically the old money motive.
B1. Disturbed people--the old insanity defense. No scale is too small, I might point out, for the truly insane. It is a matter of logistics not the degree or type of insanity. If they want to destroy things, then they will do what they can manage.
B2. Bored People--you'd have to nuts be to keep going on such a scale so this is just the insanity defense.
A2. Corrupt Politicians and construction companies spurred on by the building boom--the money motive
I see only two motives mentioned here, venality and insanity. Very old motives they are too.
suck my cock
fuck you gimps. 24.Sep.2007 08:44
it makes me so so so so so mad that this is an independent media website! why cant all you cockfaces sell out like everyone else? fuck you!
much love,
georgie dubya busch